Purple Haze wrote:Do you actually think I would make any claim based on wishful thinking orvil. What difference is the suspension action with 1,500 bucks versus 150 bucks. Please tell me and I will consider it. Do you think that 150 dollar fork is substandard because it dosent cost as much? Do you think the valving and air compression isn't controlled as well also? These dual chamber forks act very similar and both forks shown are not active. If it was active you would have a point, but the bottom chamber compresses to prevent bottoming out as well as giving a stiff or cushiony ride. There is valving to give a damping effect but that only comes into play at speed and those Chinese forks have some sort of valving also. So what really is the point here other than 3,000 dollar frames vs 600 dollar frames and so on. Do I have to pay 3,000 dollars for full suspension carbon frames? of course not. Is it okay for you to spend your hard earned money the way you want to? of course it is. Is there a alternative for quality bikes than LBS bikes? I am showing you there is and its pretty good I might add. Are bicycles anywhere near F1 tech? you have to be really fantasizing to think that because speeds are low and we probably only need 50 percent of whats built into any bike unless your doing something extreme. In all this time you have never proven your point other than because its more expensive. Please give reasons why and I will consider it, but please stop being upset because its from China and cheap.
Yes, I do think you make those claims based on wishful thinking lol. I never said there's anything wrong with buying cheap or Chinese. Or both. I'm not the least bit upset that you love these Chinese products so much. But, again, you quoting buyer reviews of products, any product from any country, is not the same as tangibly comparing products to determine which product is better. It's ok to be a flamer, we all understand, but your enthusiasm for these products, no matter how fast they're flying off the shelves and no matter how many glowing reviews are pouring in, is not a comparison. Period. More Kias are sold than Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Maseratis and Aston Martins combined but does that make a Kia a better car? According to your logic, it does simply because its cheaper and rolls on 4 wheels, just like the other cars mentioned.
As far as the difference between $150 and $1500 forks? That's simple: weight, precision of components and adjustability. One of the reasons those $1500 forks cost $1500 is more rebound and compression damping adjustment and more precise adjustment. Just because 2 different forks both have dual air chambers doesn't make them equal.
Again, I, nor anyone else here, am not bashing the Chinese bikes or, components. I simply don't have any PESONAL experience with them so I can't say how good or bad they are. But in reality, YOU don't have much PERSONAL experience with them either. Yes, you see them around Europe, you may have ridden one or two, but you really haven't PERSONALLY compared these products to any other product yet you proclaim them superior based on what you read on the retail website. And that's what we all find so ludicrous. That's not a comparison, that's simply your opinion based on the opinions of others. And price lol, can't forget that you base most of your opinions on price. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, everyone has one and just like buttholes, they all stink except for mine lol. Just kidding.
There's one thing I do know. If these products you proclaim are just as good or even better than mainstream bikes and components, then why don't we see them being used by Pro's? Why don't we see Uding forks on the podiums at EWS events or UCI World Cup DH events? And before you say "money paid by the big companies keep them out" I'm pretty sure the pro's want any legal competitive advantage they can get. If contracts keep them from using the most competitive components then those contracts will change at the end of the season to allow them to gain a competitive edge. That's a fact, that I do know. So if that $150 fork is just as good as those $1500 forks then I would expect to see them on more bikes. And before you proclaim that "all bikes and components come from China so they're all the same", remember that legally only Bourbon can be called Bourbon if produced in Kentucky but we all know that all Kentucky Bourbons aren't the same. I bet Tomcat can second that.
Again, it isn't the product nor the producer we call into question. Every product has a market full of happy users. Your proclamations without tangible comparisons are what we continue to call into question.