tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

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Re: tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

Postby Tomcat65 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:32 pm

It happens. Those freewheel hubs have a lot of unsupported space between the bearing and the frame on the drive side. Axle bends are common, even more likely to happen when you ride hard.

Best thing to do is to measure it and replace it with a hollow Chromoly axle, or add 20 - 30mm and try to find a solid axle with bearing races and nuts. Copy the setup you have now with the spacers and nuts that come with the new axle, and/or the axle you have now, so you don't have any centering or other alignment issues. Most modern BBB's have a 9mm diameter front axle, and the rear axle is 10mm. The Warhawk is probably going to have an odd length axle, so be prepared to do some looking.
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Re: tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

Postby ElementalMember » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:00 pm

I got it measured in a machine shop and they claim it's 9.5mm x 26 tpi x 165mm wide ... if so, I might be able to get one locally for $14 or it'll have to go via the interwebs as in 5-7 business days :-(
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Re: tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

Postby Tomcat65 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:51 pm

$14 isn't bad. I paid $24 for a Chromoly front and rear with QR skewers a while back. Those were standard size.
Plan on replacing it again, I bought 3 for my Ascension, and used all of them, changing them about every 6 months. I do ride hard, but I've changed the wheelset since, and no longer have any problems.
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Re: tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

Postby ElementalMember » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:59 am

Good to know Tomcat65 ;-)
I spotted these https://www.amazon.com/Mavic-29er-Wheel ... 01HDTR27Y/ and find them to be interesting, but that would simply take away from the whole mid-fat thing!
It seems pretty hard to find 40mm wide 29" rims
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Re: tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

Postby Tomcat65 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:55 pm

I have 45mm Velocity Dually rims and Shimano 525 hubs on my Ascension. It kinda squares up the shoulders on my 2.4 x 29 tires :)
Velocity Duallys are intended for wide tires, mid fat or plus sized tires. I considered 27.5 wheels and 2.8 - 3.0 tires, but I don't think my frame will hold the wide tire, even in the reduced 27.5 size. WTB has a line of wide rims, and DT Swiss has a new line wide rim wheelsets for plus size tires too. Surly offers an even wider rim called Rabbit Hole.
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Re: tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

Postby dddd » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:15 pm

For those of us who ride on loose, dry, slippery hardpack trails, it isn't usually possible to fully use any extra tread that wraps around the tire, since you can't lean very far without slide-out.

So I really like the wider rims, which puts more of the tread flat against the dirt. Traction and tread life improves, I can use lower pressure, and the knobbies even run quieter on pavement.

The Mongoose Hondo and Terrex rims measure 51mm inside (57mm outside), so really spread out even the widest 2.3" tires. I rode my Huffy with those rims up in Lake Tahoe the other day, and even up there where there is moisture in the soil (so with better cornering traction), it wasn't a problem riding/cornering hard on the rocky trails since I don't ride like a pro.
Yes I did say that these tires on these rims run pretty quiet at 24psi on asphalt.

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Re: tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

Postby ElementalMember » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:19 pm

Well, I replaced my hollow broken rear QR axle with an old school solid bolt-on back on Sep 23
I've ridden on it for 2.5 hours .... 17 miles, 2100 ft elevation (over anything from asphalt to packed trail and beach sand to rough rocky terrain), up to a 10% grade.
Granted it's not much riding, but so far so good ;-)
Not to shabby for $6 and change!
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Re: tjw7676's Warhawk initial impressions

Postby Tomcat65 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:48 pm

It's funny how something simple can make or break a person's experience with a bike, and lots of other things.
Glad the replacement axle worked out for you!
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