Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby desertguns » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:56 pm

I guess they are different on your bike. Couldn't see that well on a tablet. You should check out the tire updates in the Hitch & Dolomite threads. Will answer some of your questions. Was thinking of just making a fat tire thread.
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby Tomcat65 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:00 pm

Do it! I just now read your other 2 posts, Good information there. All in one place, It could be Super Helpful.
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby Tomcat65 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:56 pm

So.. I'll be posting a new thread about an online seller soon. I ordered the flared drop bar September 22, and it didn't make it.

If you do decide to do a drop bar conversion on a fatbike though, here's a sample list of required parts:

High angle riser stem. The frame isn't exactly drop bar friendly, so you need to get it up high enough to be effective.
The #$%& drop bar. You gotta have a drop bar to do the conversion..
Figure out your gear shifting. A lot of guys don't like the brifters on flared drops. Now is the time to decide whether you're going to want to shift from angled hoods, or bar end shifters.
With bar end shifters, you might prefer a brake lever that will work from the drops, or you might want something closer to the tops like OMG levers.
Depending on your decision on shifters, You will more than likely need new cables, and either twist style housing adjusters and cable extensions, Or whole new cable sets. Plan ahead and get all of the cable housing ferrules you need.
Steerer tube risers, headset spacers, etc.. Again, raising the bar will keep your butt from an OTB type situation.
This is a great time to add a new headset.
Cable crimp ends.. I solder my ends, but I like the added protection of a good crimp-on.
Bar tape.. I do 2 layers for comfort. 52 years will make you think of this way ahead of time..


So, for me it was:
XLC 30 degree rise stem 90mm
Genetic Digest flared drop bar 48cm across the hoods, 620 overall width.
Microshift R8 brifter set, 3x8 actually.
Road style brake cables.
Road style shift cables.
Bag 25 4.5mm cable housing ferrules, shift.
Bag 25 5mm cable housing ferrules, brakes.
3 meters of cable housing to match my Jagwire silver carbon fiber housing.
Steerer tube riser, in case I need something way different than a longer, high angle stem.
I went for a 1 1/8 straight steerer tube headset, FSA The Pig. Big 1/4" lower ball bearings, good seals, heavy duty housings and races.
Bag of red cable crimp ends.
Deda Elementi bar tape. I've seen mixed reviews, Doesn't matter, I dyed it to match the seat lol..

I added:
TT bars, lol.. I'm going to love these. Forearm pads with long forward extension for long rides or a more comfortable aero position.
An Ebay USB corded headlight. I have a choice of using my Dewalt tool batteries and the USB adapter, or a USB phone charger battery pack.

All of this held up by a shady online seller.
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby desertguns » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:21 pm

Dude I couldn't stand it & would have gotten bars elsewhere back in Oct. Can't wait for the final experiment pics, Dr Frankenstein. BTW you.re going to be shocked by those cable. Got em on the Deception & after 4 years am still impressed.
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby Tomcat65 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:52 pm

New handlebar ordered:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01ENW71E8/ref=crt_ewc_title_huc_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1DYHG7ZNG7ZDH
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From Amazon, Kyle's Bikes. I hope they get it to me quick.
It's the same size as the other, a slightly different bend, but almost identical.
Identified as Origin8 Gary Ergo Sweep OS. It has good reputation everywhere I've seen it online.

The Jagwire cables and housings are an improvement. A good cable cutter is worth every bit as much as the new cables. Clean cuts work better with every part of the install. I have been running these cables for a while now. I just have to have the different ends to work with the new brake lever/shifter combo's. Good quality cables and housings make the brakes much smoother, improve modulation and shifting only gets better. The difference was like getting new calipers - major improvement.



EDIT: Changed amazon sellers for a quicker shipping deal.
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby Tomcat65 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:05 pm

The drop bar finally came in, But I didn't care.
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I had things to do and places to be.. Platinum and me, down by the sea.

The Fat-B-Nimble knock-off tires are fine on the sand, this bike doesn't seem to know the difference in sand and concrete until the sand gets really loose, then it takes effort, but I never bog down. The 36t chainring and 18, 21 or 24 in the back are my go to gears. It's not fast, but it's a good pace. The 22t chainring is only used to climb the ramps back up to road level.
Platinum's riding a red Huffy Cranbrook, she does fine with a lower rear gear 23t, where the tide has compacted the sand.

Will update further when I care again :geek: lol
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby Tomcat65 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:15 pm

Back to the real world..

I've been working on this:
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby jimmie65 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:52 pm

Sweet.
I think I need the bars; might be ordering a set.
Current bbb bikes - Mongoose Beast, Iron Horse Yakuza 5.1, and an unknown fat BMX.
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby Tomcat65 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:14 pm

First impression observations, complaints and Glory .. some left to do..
lol.. :geek:

This was an incredibly long process of waiting for parts, determining which parts, and preparation (like dying the bar tape.)
It all went together last night. Tuned and ready to ride, it needed no further adjustment when I rode it today.

Obvservation:
1. The Microshift R8 set works flawlessly. always shifts perfectly, brakes tight, good feel on the hoods.
2. The Origin8 Gary Sweep flared handlebar is comfortable, and in the drops, it's plenty wide for what I plan to do with it.
3. The cheap TT bars are better than I expected, they work on the 31.8 clamp portion. This makes them tight and immovable.
4. Double wrapped bar tape is the bomb. Especially over cheap foam that's not wrapped so tight that it's already compressed.
5. Back to the bar, the ride positions are all comfortable, if you like drop bars at all. The flare adds a stability that is hard for me to explain this early on.
6. The Microshift brake hoods look big, but on the fatbike, they proportion well, and they're probably a little more comfortable than the major competitors, though less aero.

Complaints:
1. The microshift brake levers feature an outside bypass design. On a flared bar, it puts the levers very high. Fine for the hoods, not so much in the drops, but workable. I can see where the bypass would be great on vertical drops when you OMG the brakes on a fast descent.
2. The same brake levers being flared outward and high, place the shift levers outward and high, and though Microshift has separate up-shift and down-shift levers, I'd almost prefer the brake levers were up-shift, ala Shimano.
3. The TT bar's armrest positions are out over the top center grip position, Not a big problem, I just can't see it.
4. The seat is not comfortable when on the TT bars. lol.. Thinking about maybe going with an Adamo style TT saddle with the wide gap and open nose.
5. This whole change puts me square in the middle of wanting to go clipless, and wanting to keep the flats. I'll be experimenting with pedals.
6. One more on Microshift, The hoods have a slightly bulbous feel. This turns my wrist down slightly on the hoods. I'll be paying close attention to this, I think a layer of bar tape where it slims down wasp-like could remedy this.

Glory:
1. Just look at it. Would you just look at it?
2. The more aero TT like position feels fast, Whether it is or not, I do not care.
3. Again, the double wrapped bar tape.. Deda Elementi foam over cheap Chinese foam.. Very comfy.
4. The quality of the Microshift R8 is above expectation. Even in person, close inspection isn't very confidence inspiring, but it works really well.
5. Again, the flared bar design inspires confidence. The low positions put me in a good power position. I'm actually looking forward to hill climbing, but the width and the flare in the drops is unlike MTB bars, unlike road bars. It's just different in a good way. Feels more natural than I expected.

Still to do:
1. That headlight needs a new place to mount.
2. Thinking TT style double water bottle holders behind the seat.
3. Already wanting a big traveling, bike packing style frame bag.
4. New tires are moving higher on the list of priorities.
5. Open to suggestion on what to do, if anything, with the fork. the tires at the right pressure do not make me feel a suspension fork is necessary.

You can see the way the brake levers are flared out to bypass the bars in this pic:
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That headlight will drive me crazy until I find a way to mount it, and again, the flare is exaggerated by the bypass of the brake levers:
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I don't miss the riser bar:
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A Big Big thanks to Gone Platinum for risking life on that bridge to shoot pics with me ;)
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Re: Mongoose Malus 2017 Academy Sports Mods and Build

Postby Tomcat65 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:11 pm

Next Up!
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It has mixed reviews, all over the place. The tire has a folding bead, thin casing/sidewall, with a bit wider than normal tread spacing, this makes it one of the lightest, if not the lightest 4.5 tire available. The reviews show that this tire needs to be run above normal pressures for best performance, as it has a tendency to be very soft, and wrinkles and distorts at lower pressures. Snow seems to be the one place this tire doesn't perform well, and deep sticky mud is next, but dry trails, sand, and loose leaves are where this tire seems to shine. I believe that's about right for where a drop bar fatty would be used most, but I just want it for my trips down South to the beach. Anxious to see how the 4.5 fits between the rear stays. I might even try going tubeless just to bring the weight down 3 to 4lb.
We'll see :geek:
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